Dispatches from Juneau: Baby got (gold)back

I ordered a Manhattan at the bar a few nights ago because spiritually, I’m 63 years old. They’re not great, but I feel a certain kinship with the concoction. My mom tells stories of learning to drive with her dad in the passenger seat drinking Manhattans in bulk out of a plastic cup. It should be acknowledged, before we go any farther, that there is/was a certain piquant strain of alcoholism that ran in the family – hence the cocktails on-the-go.

I say this, not because I want you to start drawing conclusions, but because I want to set up a scene for you. If I tried to pay for that rye and vermouth concoction with a silver coin I dug out of a shipwreck somewhere, or a gold Krugerrand I obtained from a sketchy columnist contact, the bartender would look at me and laugh. Gone are the days of tossing a handful of doubloons on the counter and demanding rotgut for the house.

However, there are factions within the House that believe gold and silver currency might be making a comeback, and have put forth proposals to streamline the use of these precious metals as a means to buy and sell products.

Representative Kevin McCabe’s (R – Big Lake) House Bill 3 is one such proposal – indeed, the only one this term focused on the exchange of metals on the market. Essentially, McCabe, whose bill is co-sponsored by Representatives George Rauscher (R – Sutton) and DeLena Johnson (R – Palmer), wants to remove taxes on stamped, printed, state-endorsed gold and silver currencies. The example provided by McCabe were Goldbacks, which are thin 24k gold bills, sandwiched in a thin clear polymer. The Utah-based company that produces the bills has already expanded to Nevada, New Hampshire, and Wyoming in recent years. Now, it seems, the notorious Big Goldback Lobby has set its sights on Alaska.

McCabe passed a handful of these Goldbacks around during Thursday’s State Affairs meeting, and the intricate inlaid design caught the attention of all the committee members. To be honest, it does look pretty sick – like Monopoly Money dipped in molten gold.

McCabe’s bill, which was spawned by one of his Big Lake constituents who “doesn’t like banks,” hopes to remove some of the barriers to Alaskans using stamped gold and silver in everyday transactions. These needn’t necessarily be Goldbacks, though the fact that McCabe brought several in to show the committee might indicate a kinship with the company. However, the state could mint its own versions, if the bill were to pass.

But there are other problems as well. Even if the bill passes, and even if Goldbacks (or their equivalent) go into circulation, there’s no guarantee that businesses have to accept them. In fact, the bill explicitly states a person or business is “not required to accept gold or silver specie as tender.”

Additionally, Representative Andi Story (D – Juneau) questioned, given the fluctuating price of gold and silver, how a business is to determine the worth of a piece of gold, if a customer tries to pay for goods or services. They’d have to determine the current market value, McCabe responded, which would necessitate the business looking up the spot price of gold or silver.

I’ve lost enough money buying and selling crypto to know what it’s like to use a non-dollar currency to pay for stuff. Bitcoin (and any number of spinoffs) has sort of wormed its way into the world of exchange because it’s easy to buy and sell things with it. Everything’s automated – you plug your wallet code into a computer, verify that you have access to the wallet, and you’re buying illegal firearms and Chinese synthetic heroin in no time. The price fluctuates, sure, but as long as you know the current worth of the bitcoin you have, you know what you can buy.

Gold and silver, on the other hand, are physical objects. To use these as means of payment in a strict currency sense means you have to constantly be aware of what an ounce (or a 1/1000th of an ounce) is worth when you go to pay for something. You also leave the door open for counterfeiting – though, with Goldbacks, McCabe claimed, there’s no way to successfully counterfeit them, since the verification technology is top-of-the-line.

Five dollars is worth five dollars (by the time I finish this sentence, it’ll be more like $3.99, but you get the point) but an ounce of gold – well, that’s a different story. It’s not as volatile as certain other commodities, but the price changes enough on the global market that anyone who wants to pay for an oil change with gold bars ought to keep abreast of the market value.

With all of this said, I think McCabe’s bill might be worth considering. By removing sales tax on the sale of specie, it would allow people who are distrustful enough of banks and financially savvy enough with commodities to have a different way to spend their money. Personally (and this is a whole different issue) I’ve never been overly fond of fiat currency – I think they call it Fiat because it’s perpetually broken and sort of shitty.

Opening the door a little to Alaskans to pay for things with gold and silver is, in general, a pretty good move. If we were to do it, however, I would vouch for the notes (or bars, ounces, however they’re delineated) to be printed at home, in house, rather than outsourcing to Utah.

Someday, maybe, I’ll be able to throw a sack of minted Alaskan gold pieces on the counter, look the clerk square in the eye, and demand his largest firearm and his fanciest shaped bottle of whiskey – for they’re after me precious silver and jewels.

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Marlin Savage
1 year ago

Readers may scoff, however Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa have formed a group called BRICS that may well topple the Petro Dollar that was forced on the Middle East after WWII. The new denomination will be backed by precious metals instead of the dollar’s immeasurable debt.

Purchasing silver coins for future daily use and gold coins for portability and storage of wealth will be an intelligent move.

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

To the Downvoters:

As my Father used to say, “A word to the Wise is sufficient”. Time will tell whether You should have listened.

Lynn Willis
1 year ago

Don’t we have bigger problems to solve? This “Goldback” legislation is exactly the kind of time-wasting populist bullshit you would expect from the sponsors. Remember when we were on the gold standard that the value of gold was “fixed” to give the currency stability? Here are some facts to ponder if we let the value “float” for 1 oz:
(ref: Data from Refinitiv · Price in USD)

52wk High $2,078.80

52wk Low $1,618.30

Also, find a gold coin worth a tank of gas when for example even a 1/10 oz American Eagle coin is worth about $300.00.

Floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Lynn Willis

I thought since this is supposed to be a journalist site it, might get into this is the type of bills, that have no chance of passing, that suck up all the air and time in every Alaska legislative session and why almost nothing critical gets accomplished and the budget is always a rushed affair when its already fishing season? We should always remember we are still living off of savings secured my Governor’s Palin oil tax plan (Yes Sarah did actually save our arses) with no viable fiscal solution being discussed by our elected officials. edit-Talking about drugs and… Read more »

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  Lynn Willis

Silver coins for daily use.

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  Lynn Willis

I don’t care what Juneau does, I care about preserving wealth which precious metals have done over the years. A 1920 $20 gold coin has nearly 1 ounce of gold and is worth around $2000. A paper $20 bill has lost 93% of its value during those 100 years. The 1920 paper dollar has 7 CENTS worth of buying power due to inflation. It takes $14.84 dollars today to equal what a dollar would buy in 1920. Precious metals are a very real way of preserving Your wealth. Personally, I believe 40% of a person’s portfolio should be in precious metals… Read more »

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

Gold is a terrible long-term investment at 2% return. By your logic we should put 40% if our funds into eggs because they doubled over the last year while a dollar has lost value. And so has gold depending on when you bought and when you sold.

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

You mentioned eggs, not I.

I specifically stated precious metals and mining stocks.

Junior Mining stocks are low and at a great entry level.
The dollar has lost 93% of its value over the years.

” Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value – zero. ” — Voltaire 

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

Mining stocks are high risk. LAC would be a good choice though-

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

Name a single Junior with Alaska claims, that would have been a good investment this last decade?
Besides Contango Ore- how’s northern dynasty doing? Graphiteone? Trilogy? Highgold? Towerhills? Felix? I could go on. Is it really neighborly to give bad investment advice? Graphiteone is a good long-term play-but a deep harbor needs to be built first. So really might as well hit the slot machines. Highgold needs a harbor-ie playing the slots- LAC is a safebet. But it is not junior and not gold.

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

and not Alaska.

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

 From a price of $40.65 at month-end August 1971, gold has appreciated to $1864 oz.

The actual average return has been at least 8%.

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

That is silly- would be like picking apple at a low. The 1920 to 2023 is not 8%

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

Apple was .25 cents in 2000
$154 today
#whocares

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

I said from 1971 to today gold went from $40.65 to $1864.
The U.S. dollar has lost 86% its value since 1971 NOT 1920.
$100 in 1971 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $732.83 today, an increase of $632.83 over 52 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.90% per year between 1971 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 632.83%.

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

No Above you said 1920
Now 1971
Why not 2012 to 2023 for gold? Because its like 1% rate of return? Who keeps there retirement investments in fiat currency? Your whole investment strategy recommendation in gold is based on very flawed logic and does a disservice.

Am still waiting to hear about all those good jr mining company investments in Alaska-we missed out on.

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

Millrock? Goldrich? I can keep listing them jr mining companies…

Wow your saying investment in gold tracks inflation? That is a terrible investment and a very circular argument.

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

Mining stocks have done well for me.

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

Alaska specific mining juniors?
Or “mining stocks” that are not juniors?
Alaska has a terrible track record of pump and dump.

Marlin Savage
1 year ago
Reply to  floridawoman

I have mostly been into Canadian, Mexican, and South American Junior Mining Stocks. I bought over a million shares in February of 2020 and waited a year (March of 2021 to sell and take advantage of Long-Term Capital Tax. Those shares cost just under $80,000. I averaged (some went to zero) just under 300% during those 13 months. 22 hours ago, I said, “Junior Mining stocks are low and at a great entry level”. I am a current buyer and have averaged 50,000 new shares a week since the first of the year. All 2023 purchases have been Penny Stocks… Read more »

floridawoman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

$8082
That is $20 invested in 1920 at 6% :
A reasonable rate of return. Gold is at what $2000? I hope our PDF advisors can use a calculator.

Trevor Kauffman
1 year ago
Reply to  Marlin Savage

Mr. “Marlin Savage”… interesting how you were named after two rifle manufacturers. Quite unusual to be honest… But anyway… to you argument, It is perhaps obvious that if you make an argument showcasing gold’s durable value, by noting how over 100 years, it is worth 100 times more IN DOLLARS, and in the same breath, explain how DOLLARS are relatively worthless because they have lost nearly all of their VALUE over the last 100 years… then you aren’t really making a very clear argument, are you? Also please cite your source, as to the 93% depreciation, and explain how it… Read more »

James Sutton
1 year ago

I thought only the federal government could coin money. Pretty sure that is what it says in the U.S. Constitution.

Trevor Kauffman
1 year ago
Reply to  James Sutton

James, this was my thought, too. I am no constitutional scholar, but I did a little reading and it seems that using gold and silver is mentioned in a way that might suggest one could use simple gold bullion for business, and this would not be unlawful. But this certainly seems like a fairly creative interpretation, and something of a “loophole”. The constitution does prohibit states form coining money.. Haha, so if you stamp the gold into a rectangle… then it’s not a coin, right… because coins are round? Seems kinda fishy. My two cents. (ho ho ho)

Oki Ave
1 year ago

I’m just gonna leave this here in case anyone is curious about:

  1. Historyof international financial settlement systems since WWII
  2. The relationship energy markets pricing has hard to gold

https://youtu.be/5h_ND1h5gfU

Geary Carson
8 months ago

Sovereign nation coins made out of precious metals have denominations far less value than that of the precious metal content. This makes the value of the coin dependent on the current spot price. If they were to go in the opposite direction and tie it to the US Dollar, they could stabilize the value until the US Dollar value falls below the precious metal content of the goldback. If a state were to set a 1/2000 goldback at a legitimate value of $25, then people transacting with the goldback would be confident until such time as the US Dollar would… Read more »